The Markelle Fultz Trade is a Process-Killer (X-post /r/Sixers)

马克尔-富尔茨的交易是“过程杀手”。（转自Reddit的76人专区）

Edit: I say "We" and "Our" a lot but this was originally posted in /r/Sixers

补充：我说了很多“我们”和“我们的”，因为这贴原来其实是发自76人专区里的。

Most of you know this by now but I just can’t stress how disastrous and calamitous the Fultz trade is turning out to be. Before the 2017 draft we were in a position to add two Top-3 picks in the next two drafts.

你们中大多数人到现在都该知道了，但我真的无法足够强调当年富尔茨的交易正在如何灾难般地反噬不幸的我们。2017年选秀大会之前，我们本来可以在接下来两年选秀中引入两名前三顺位新秀。

Now it’s likely that we end up with absolutely nothing of value from them. To make matters worse, all of this lost value goes to the fucking Celtics of all teams. The Celtics get Tatum and most likely a top-10 pick this year and we’re left with Fultz.

而如今，这两个签最后给我费带来的结果很可能是一文不值。更糟糕的是，我们所有失去的价值都特么地偏偏跑到了凯尔特人那边。他们得到了塔特姆，而且今年很可能得到一个前十顺位签，而我们只剩下了富尔茨。

Drafting a #1 overall pick who’s a bust will set any franchise back. Trading an additional lottery pick to draft that guy makes it even worse. Making that trade with your biggest rival (who was already better than you) and who will probably block the road to the finals for 5 years is nothing short of completely disastrous.

选到一个水货状元会让任何一支俱乐部都不进而退。而交易掉另外一个乐透签来选到这个水货简直让整个状况糟上加糟；而你还偏偏与你最大的竞争对手做这个交易（而且你的竞争对手已经比你更优秀了），他们很可能会在未来5年挡住你打进总决赛的路……这完全是灾难性的。

At this point the Sixers desperately, desperately need the Celtics to miss on that pick. Having them add another quality player or even packaging that pick for a star would be a doomsday scenario for the Sixers.

到了这个节骨眼，76人非常非常迫切地需要凯尔特人错失国王的那个选秀权。要是凯尔特人选到另一个高水平的球员，或者把选秀权打包交易来一位球星，那对76人来说无异于世界末日。

It’s hard to see the Process end up where it is now. We all know how much Hinkie values assets and you just have to wonder if he would have been comfortable giving up that extra lottery pick to our biggest, strongest rival.

看到“过程”落得如此境地，真的很难让人接受。我们都知道辛基有多么重视球队资产，你想想看，如果是辛基，他会把一个额外的乐透签送给我们最大最强的竞争对手吗？

This trade is going to be looked back on for decades as the time that this franchise blew a golden opportunity at a potential dynasty, all while gifting one to the very team we were trying to beat. It’s a complete, unmitigated disaster. Bryan Colangelo murdered the Process.

接下来的几十年，当人们回顾这笔交易时，它会被视为一支球队白白浪费掉了建立未来王朝的黄金机会，而且同时还把这个机会拱手让给了那支我们一直想要打败的球队。这是一场彻彻底底、无可置疑的灾难。布赖恩-科兰杰洛谋杀了这个“过程”。

[–]LakersLonzoDaVinci 534 指標 6小時前

I can't fucking believe that the Sixers sub banned Ben Detrick (the guy who discovered the Colangelo burners).

He was sounding the alarm on the Colangelos so early. But they couldn't handle the truth.

湖人球迷：我真特么不敢相信76人专区竟然封了Ben Detrick（那个发现了科兰杰洛的推特小号家伙）。

他那么早就向大家警告了科兰杰洛的无能。但是当时的人们就是不能正视这个事实。

图中文字翻译：我怀疑富尔茨的交易对76人来说会是一场灭绝级别的灾难，但是我很希望自己错了。

[–][PHI] Lou WilliamsMarcheesio 267 指標 6小時前

He was right. And the Fultz trade, in hindsight, seems entirely an ego move by Colangelo. He didn't like the attention that Hinkie was getting even after being let go (the burners confirm this) and he didn't like that Embiid and Simmons were seen as "Hinkie's".

76人球迷：他说的对。而且关于富尔茨的这次交易，马后炮看来，似乎完全是科兰杰洛自负心驱使的操作。辛基都走人了竟然还能得到很多关注，所以科兰杰洛不喜欢这点（推特小号事件证明了这一点），而且他也不喜欢恩比德和西蒙斯都被看做是“辛基的人”。

He made a dumb move to move up in the draft to get a guy he could claim as his own. He couldn't stand the thought of Hinkie getting credit for everything going forward.

科兰杰洛做了一件蠢事儿，他设法提升球队的选秀顺位，以选中一个他可以声称是“自己的人”的新星。他就是忍不了辛基因球队未来的发展得到赞誉。

[–]New Jersey NetsCookie3215 119 指標 5小時前

Damn, I think you guys hate Colangelo more than Nets fans hate Billy King.

篮网球迷：靠，我觉得你们76人球迷对科兰杰洛的恨比篮网球迷对比利-金的恨还深啊。

[–]NuggetsPancakeTaughtMe 243 指標 5小時前

Well, they both do have something in common... Danny Ainge fucking boomed them

你还别说，科兰杰洛和比利-今确实有共同点……丹尼-安吉都MLGBD咣叽给他俩炸了一下。

[–]CavaliersDeiVias 135 指標 6小時前

Brutal but true.

骑士球迷：残忍却是事实。

[–]Lakerscottagecheese24 234 指標 6小時前

Yeah, you guys royally fucked up. But at the time of the trade, it didn't seem like that bad of a trade. Fultz completely losing his ability to shoot is something unheard of.

湖人球迷：没错，你费是花式搞砸了。但是在那次交易发生时，它看起来并没有那么糟糕。富尔茨完全失去了他的投篮能力是闻所未闻的奇事。

[–]76ersEfficientJellyfish 95 指標 5小時前

He was fine in summer league. Looked just like he did in college.

76人球迷：富尔茨在夏季联赛的时候看着还挺好呢。就像他在大学期间的表现一样。

[–][PHI] Lou WilliamsMarcheesio 122 指標 6小時前

Hinkie rolling in his grave. We fucked his treasure chest of assets in less than 2 years and now we're going to need a miracle in free agency to actually build this team into a contender. Fuck Adam Silver.

76人球迷：辛基目睹此情此景估计气得打滚了。我们在不到2年时间里挥霍光了他留下的宝贵资产，而现在，我们只有在自由市场上演奇迹才能真正把这支队伍打造成有力的总冠军竞争者。

[–]NetsAveryBeal 103 指標 6小時前

Klay is all the sixers need to be contenders. If im Elton Brand I hire 100 of the hottest instagram thots and have them hit on Klay non stop during the pitch. Just a carousel of them until he signs the contract. Then give Fultz the boot and hope the kings win 40 games. In fact I'd bench my entire roster for both those kings games.

克莱就是76人成为争冠球队所需的拼图。如果我是埃尔顿-布兰德（76人新任总经理），我会在instagram上雇100个最火辣的网红大妞，在招募期间不断地勾搭克莱，直到克莱签下合同为止。然后让富尔茨走人，同时寄希望于国王可以赢40场比赛。事实上，如果我是76人，那在对阵国王的比赛里，我会轮休整个阵容！

[–]SupersonicsMaximumFrugality 120 指標 6小時前

Shouldn't have traded Mikal Bridges for another athletic non-shooter either. Sixers front office simply doesn't know how to put together a balanced roster.

76人不该交易掉米卡尔-布里奇斯换来又一个没篮但运动能力强的新秀。76人的管理层是真的完全不知道怎样构建一个均衡的阵容。

[–]Celticssupes1 58 指標 5小時前

Zhaire Smith has a good looking shot, and shot it well in college (albeit on limited attempts). Best to wait till he gets a chance to play to judge. Also, who knows where that Heat pick will end up. It's the kind of trade that could look great down the road depending how things shake out.

It really felt like a Hinkie-type move.

凯尔特人球迷：扎伊尔-史密斯有漂亮的篮动作，而且在大学期间投篮也很好（尽管他的出手次数有限）。最好是等到他有机会上场的时候再做评价。而且，谁能知道热火的签位会发展成什么样呢。这是需要根据事情的发展来判断好坏的交易。

真的很像辛基式的操作。

[–]junkit33 116 指標 5小時前

You're not saying anything wrong, but I'll offer an alternative devil's advocate view.

The Sixers got Embiid. If he's truly healthy, he's going to be a Top 5 NBA player for the next decade. (And really almost looks there already) That's it. That right there is "the process" - the kind of guy you tank and hope for.

你们一点儿都没说错，但是请允许我唱个反调，提供另一种思路：

76人已经得到了恩比德。如果恩比德真的能保持健康，他会成为接下来十年中联盟前五的球员。（而且目前看来几乎已经是了）。就是这么简单，完事了。他就是“过程”——一个球队为之摆烂并期待得到的球员。

Everything else is gravy - you build around Embiid. You draw in an All-Star caliber free agent to pair with him. You acquire the perfect role players for him. That's your contender right there.

其他的一切都是锦上添花而已——你们该围绕恩比德建队，吸引来一位全明星级别的自由球员和他搭档。再为恩比德引入完美的角色球员。这样以来，争冠实力不就打造出来了吗？

Fultz and the wasted Kings pick is just noise. It stings but ultimately doesn't matter, because the Sixers have Embiid.

富尔茨和被浪费的国王签只不过是噪音罢了。他们在短时间内会带来刺痛，但是归根结底无关紧要，因为76人已经拥有了恩比德。

Note that I haven't even mentioned Simmons yet. Personally, I'm not the biggest fan. I think his lack of shot will forever hold him back, and I don't love the pairing with Embiid. But, others will disagree, and that's ok. It only adds to my point that Fultz doesn't really matter.

注意啦，我还没提到西蒙斯呢。我个人来讲不是太喜欢西蒙斯。我觉得西蒙斯缺少投篮能力，这点会一直阻碍他的发展，而且我不喜欢他和恩比德的场上搭档。其他人当然也会持有反对意见，但没关系。这只会更加证明我的观点：富尔茨真的不是很重要。

I, personally, would trade Simmons for a king's ransom - get a deadly deep threat of a PG scorer and let him and Embiid light it up every night. Lure in that 3rd big name free agent and you've got a contender.

个人来讲，我会用西蒙斯换来一大笔筹码——得到一个拥有致命威胁的得分型控卫，让他和恩比德每晚火力全开。然后在自由球员市场里撸来第三位大牌球员，这样76人不就有实力争冠了嘛。

[–]76ersYazakuchi 44 指標 5小時前

if i was the GM i would honestly trade Ben. He has shown no improvements jumperwise and he's hurting not only embiid but also the team, against weak opponents he can dunk and drive all he wants but against teams like raptors and celtics he gets exposed everytime...

76人球迷：要是我是球队经理，说实话我真的会交易掉西蒙斯。他完全没有展现出跳投方面的任何进步，而且他伤害到的不仅是恩比德，还有整个球队。在面对比较弱的对手时，他可以扣篮，可以予取予求；然而在面对猛龙和凯尔特人这样的球队时，他的缺点每次都会被暴露无遗……

We have a MVP and DPOY caliber player in Embiid, build around him, hes the process, imo everyone outside of JoJo is tradable

恩比德是一个MVP和最佳防守球员级别的巨星，围绕他建队吧，他就是过程。在我看来，球队除恩比德外的每一位球员都可以被交易。

Drew Hanlen claims Markelle Fultz is still not healthy in twitter beef with Kyle Kuzma's trainer.

训练师Drew Hanlen在推特上和凯尔-库兹马的训练师掐架互怼，称马克尔-富尔茨依然没有完全康复。

Kyle Kuzma's trainer, Clint Parks, has pretty openly displayed his thoughts on Drew Hanlen and his Pure Sweat business.

Hanlen replied to Parks in a now deleted tweet:

凯尔-库兹马的训练师Clint Parks一直都公开地表达自己对Drew Hanlen以及他的“Pure Sweat”业务的负面看法。

Hanlen随后回复了Parks，这条推特现在已经被删掉了。

图中文字翻译：

Clint Parks：还“纯汗”呢，改叫“纯垃圾吧”，敢不敢走上台前回答篮球界对你的诸多拷问啊？

Drew Hanlen：回复来了。

1）随便怎么黑我都可以，但是不要憎恨球员，这不职业。

2）你不了解富尔茨的情况，他还没有完全康复。

3）他的三分球命中率从0%提高到了31%，罚球命中率从48%提高到了67%，已经有进步了。

4）他的三分球命中率可比你的宝贝儿库兹马高呢。#事实

Found this on Drew Corrigan's twitter:

以上是在Drew Corrigan的推特上找到的：

图中文字翻译：在一条现在已经被删掉的推特里，Drew Hanlen表示富尔茨还没有完全康复。

[–]Riemann-Hypothesis 221 指標 11小時前

Sure, not yet 100% healthy mentally maybe. Physically, he seems to look more than fine especially on the defensive moves which would likely stress your shoulder more than shooting

当然了，可能是他心理上还没有完全健康吧。身体方面，他看起来完全没问题啊，特别是在防守动作上。比起投篮，这些防守动作可能更容易拉伤肩膀啊。

[–]KillerBeesRedux 51 指標 7小時前

The injury excuse has been laughable from day one. The idea that Fultz, his trainer, and the Sixers all would have decided to have him drastically alter his shooting form in order to play through shoulder pain during the offseason was just asinine. It never made any sense.

打第一天起，富尔茨的这个伤病借口就显得很可笑。休赛季富尔茨、他的训练师和76人一起决定让他完全彻底的改变投篮方式就为了顶着肩膀伤痛打球？这个想法真是愚蠢。打一开始这个所谓什么伤病就是扯淡。

[–]TimberwolvesCO_PC_Parts 84 指標 6小時前

I had an injury very similar to Fultz in college. At the time my options were a surgery that would leave my shoulder immobile for 6-8 month AND then require PT, or I could do just PT with a series of exercises for my shoulder/rotator cuff. Because I was in school I needed use of my arm so I elected for just PT.

大学期间我曾受过和富尔茨非常相似的伤。当时我的选择有两个，一个是做手术，我的肩膀在6-8个月的时间里都不能动，然后还需要身体康健治疗；另一个则是通过整套的针对肩膀/回旋肌的练习动作只进行身体康健治疗而不做手术。因为我当时还在上学呢，有很多用到胳膊的地方，所以我选了后者。

The exercises were hell but they did work. But my shoulder never fully healed. And for over a year to almost 2 years I could have a setback at any time. I played basketball almost every day back then and I didn't risk anything while doing normal dribbling, 2 handed rebounding, shooting and setting screens.

训练过程简直是惨绝人寰，不过确实有效。但是我的肩膀一直就没有完全痊愈。而且在一年多将近两年的时间里，我的康复过程随时都有可能不进而退。我那会儿几乎每天都在打篮球，但只是正常的运球、双手抢篮板、投篮和掩护，没有一点儿冒险的动作。

I risked re aggravating it if I tried to block someones shot and my arm got bent back when fully extended, if I got blocked going up for a layup and same motion or if I went up for a one armed rebound and got hit just right.

如果我试图封盖某人投篮、完全伸展并弯曲手臂，如果我被上篮的时候被帽并做出同样的手臂伸展动作、或者我单手抢篮板并被打到的话，我的伤都有被加重的风险。

The injury was VERY frustrating, because I could be doing fine and then BAM, back to almost square one. Once my injury was aggravated I couldn't shoot for a couple of days and I could barely sleep at night because I sleep on my side.

这个伤很令人沮丧，因为说不准什么时候我就会回到原点了。一旦我的伤势加重，我就连续几天都不能投篮，而且晚上几乎没办法睡觉，因为我习惯侧身睡的。

It did not effect my shot motion but I was determined to keep my same motion because I'm a really good shooter. Who knows with Fultz but I don't blame him for changing anything that would keep the pain away because it fucking hurt.

这个伤没有影响我的投篮姿势，但我当时是拼了命地要保持自己原有的姿势，因为我确实是个不错的投手。谁知道富尔茨的情况是怎样的呢，但是我不会因为他想改什么东西来远离伤痛就责怪他，因为那确实贼特么疼。

[–]Thundernuhx 250 指標 11小時前

He’s only healthy when he shoots 40% from 3.

富尔茨只有在三分球命中率达到40%的时候才算健康对吧？

[–][PHI] JaKarr SampsonFreak_Fest 169 指標 11小時前

Technically he's shooting 40% from 3 if you take out heaves.

It's only 4/10 in 11 games though lmao.

76人球迷：严格意义上说，如果抛开他的半场/全场到时间随便一扔的远投，他现在的三分命中率还真就是40%。

不过只是在11场比赛里三分球10投4中而已啊哈哈哈。

[–]Heatjbenson255 45 指標 11小時前

Do the 76ers know he’s not fully healthy ?

76人知道富尔茨没有完全康复吗？

[–][NYK] Baron Davisthemariokarters 86 指標 11小時前

Heath isn’t just physical. This dude has been mentally broken

健康不止是身体上的。这位兄弟的心态已经崩了。

[–]76ersxychosis 62 指標 11小時前

Hanlen's a dick for hyping Markelle up the way he did, honestly. Kelle's already got confidence issues, and he decided "Hey, I'm gonna hype this dude up like he's the second coming" like what the fuck did you think was gonna happen??? That just adds pressure. Fuck, man.

76人球迷：讲真，Hanlen当初把富尔茨吹得那么高，真的挺不要脸的。富尔茨已经有信心上的问题了，而Hanlen却决定说“嘿，我决定好好把这家伙吹上天，吹成耶稣二代好啦”，艹，你特么觉得会发生什么呢？这只会增加富尔茨的压力啊！日了。

I'm rooting for Markelle but this dude did him dirty for doing that. Still, his shot did improve, it's just that he's still wildly inconsistent.

That said, Kuz's trainer's kind of a dick for coming at him like that, but at the same time, Hanlen got this coming, sorta.

我支持富尔茨，但是Hanlen这样做就是在给富尔茨下绊子。富尔茨的投篮确实有所改善，只是很不稳定罢了。

话虽如此，库兹马的训练师这么朝他怼也有点混蛋。但是与此同时，Hanlen也算是自找的。

[–][UTA] Grayson AllenJordan_Pushed_Off 549 指標 11小時前

don’t hate on players

goes on to talk shit about Kuzma

“不要憎恨球员”

然后他就开始说库兹马的坏话。

[–][NYK] Baron Davisthemariokarters 169 指標 11小時前

Lmfao wait this man says hate on me, but don’t hate on players because it’s unprofessional

In the same tweet he calls out Kuzma

哈哈哈哈等会儿等会儿，这老伙计说“黑我吧，但是不要憎恨球员，这不职业”

然后在同一条推特里他就批评了库兹马？哈哈哈。

[–]Bloodtinted1 143 指標 8小時前

Not really shit talking if it's a valid comparison. Not like he called him garbage.

如果两人之间的比较是合理靠谱的，那还不算喷垃圾话吧。他也没有称库兹马是菜鸡呀。

[–]Lakersdagod123 99 指標 10小時前

Is his reputation bad?

Beal has improved every year. Tatum is a fucking sophomore and plays better than Hayward. Embiid is the best big man in the league. Leonard was seeing his way out of the league two years ago.

Hanlen的名声不好吗？

布拉德利每年都在进步。塔特姆只是特么的二年级球员却打得比海沃德还好。恩比德是联盟里最好的大个子。迈尔斯-伦纳德在两年前都快淡出联盟了，直到遇见了他。

I think drew knows what he's doing and does it well. Is there a lot of hate for him in the trainer world?

I've seen cbrickley talk shit about him too. I wonder if it's trainers being really insecure

我觉Hanlen知道自己在做什么，而且也做得不错。在训练师圈子里真的有很多针对他的指责吗？

我也见过训练师Cbrickley说他的不是。我怀疑这是不是训练师们太没安全感了。

[–]LakerswestbrooksANALyst 291 指標 11小時前

Kuz trainer certainly didn't train him on how to pass or play defense

Hanlen def shouldn't have hyped up Fultz to us all offseason but Kuz's trainer seems like a dick for coming at him

湖人球迷：库兹马的训练师肯定没有教过库兹马怎样传球或防守。

Hanlen当然不应该在整个休赛季向我们大吹特吹富尔茨，但是库兹马的训练师指责Hanlen就显得他自己很混蛋了。

[–]Lakersjtan619 82 指標 11小時前

Kuz’s trainer needs to go over box-out drills ‘til he pukes

湖人球迷：库兹马的训练师应该好好练练库兹马卡位，练吐为止才好啊。